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I know EXACTLY what the long-term effect will be...

LESS people will pay for premium, therefore the site will LOSE money..

Fucking BRILLIANT !!

Duh.....

Hi,

The issue is that there are SO FEW people paying for premium here, I think there will be no impact on the volume of sales.

The bigger picture is that this site is being subsidized as it is - it makes less per month than a teenager flipping burgers.

I appreciate the worries about the price rise - but please rather than be critical maybe offer some other suggestions as to how to generate revenue, because the site is not commercially viable as it is with current pricing.

SiteAdmin

Hows about you quit catering to a MASSIVE bunch of freeloaders, eh ?????

Why buy the cow when you can get the milk for free??


My suggestion is this....

Keep the pricing AFFORDABLE, as it is, and COMPLETELY DROP the FREE MEMBERSHIPS?

And..... Just WHEN do you plan on bring NTN up to the same level as NN??

As I've said.. Same price, SAME PRODUCT... Right?

Cry me a river, but I think this is a BAD IDEA... Don't like that?? What can I say Boss..

I WILL advocate for YOU when I feel you are in the right... But if I feel you are in the WRONG then fuck it..

I WILL advocate for the average site user... As in this case

Good luck with that

Kinda like the FREE MEMBERS here are being subsidized by the paying members?

Well guess what... We're GODDAMN tired of it and want something done about it!

Let the fucking freeloaders have their way on the backs of the paying members, right??

I think NOT

YOU my fine sir, are being HIGHLY unfair to the paying members while doing NOTHING to a group who never has paid a dime, and NEVER WILL...

No support from me as you support the freebies on the backs of the PAYING members...

Democrat math ?? Fuck that!

I think Brenda's been detecting a whiff of socialism, judging by her last post. A red rag to an American bull! ...but I certainly see where she's coming from.

Free membership must always allow people to get a taste of what can be done. That's the basic "try before you buy" thing. But currently the bar is set far too low, in favour of the freebie folks.

How's about limiting Status posts to something like 2 a week, and only 2 replies. Only 20 photo views a week. And photo uploads reduced to (say) 5 a week.

But let those freebie folks view (say) 5 big pics or 1 video per week, and one cam, just so they can get a taste of what we paying members get.

That's just off the top my my head, in response to Admin's appeal for suggestions.

I can see where Brenda’s coming from. Just looking through the site photos and I notice there are one heck of a lot of ‘freebie’ members, some who have been on the NN sites for 5 or even 10 years and are still non-premium, literally using the funds paid by premium members (which help keep the site up and running) to post their photos etc., Increasing prices will only discriminate against the premium members, while the non premium will keep posting and using the site with no obligations whatever.

I think Joanna’s idea is a good one. Give them a ‘taste’ yes, BUT after that, if they want to continue, make them pay for it. And LOWER the prices, not increase them, and see if you do end up with more paying members. It’d be worth trying out. After all, if increased fees are likely to see fewer members paying for premium, then the site is going to be in even more financial stress than it is now.

The NN group seems to be amongst the very few Internet sites of it type that has lasted all these years, so they must have something going for them. Let’s see the non-premiums finding similar sites and I’d say they’ll be out of luck, as I haven’t found any or at least, any that are as good and as well managed as this one.

Hi I so agree with all 3of you!!!! And surely with Brenda, something should be done to stop freebies uploading so many pics cause most of them shouldn't even be on here lately I don't enjoy this side like I used to!!!! Due of so much hallo rubbish on it!!! I'm not even bothered to post many pics anymore, and I can say I used to love it, but know I'm always frustrated here by what I see!!! I'm passing more time hitting alert button then enjoying myself!!!! But I'm not all negative either I met some great gurls here that I really like right wanda!! But I think something has to change and rather sooner the later!!!cause I'm not the only one thinking and feeling that way, just ask around and you be surprised!!!!Stephanie

On the site info pages, Admin says that "Standard membership is totally free and will always be so" but that's no reason why the gap shouldn't be widened between what freebies get and what Premium get.

Admin also says that "As we have continually stated we will not be removing any existing functionality for non paying users" ... but of course that doesn't mean that quotas of access can't be altered. And also the page says "We will simply be adding extra functionality to reward those that support us" and of course that's good if and when it happens. But it's not enough to justify the current price increase.

I'm in agreement with the gurls on this.. It seems to boil down to the question "Why pay a high price for membership when using the site for free seems to work fine?" Well it's a good site for Tgurls and many of us want to support the site. I agree though that Admin should limit the freebie use of the site, motivate and encourage gurls to join up! Raising the member fee will cause a drop in sign-ups

Great comments so far thanks!

The thing is - if we restrict free membership a lot more, like say reduce the pics you can post and the number you can view as a free member etc, it means you Premium members will have less viewers - less comments and less photos / videos to look at!

So I am not sure that it will work, as will then the premiums not be as happy?

Brenda's idea is to go the extreme and have it premium only, period. How would you gurls feel if it was just the premiums uploading, commenting and in chat / status etc? Would you like that?

If we went down that path (Brenda's one) then we would probably make premium $5 a month or something like that to appeal to a wider audience.

It is very difficult to know which path to go down sadly! But let's keep talking because we have to do something!

Brenda's the "republican hawk" on this matter, whereas I'm more a liberal democrat!

I want people to have the option to "try before they buy" for one reason - and that's because it's what I did, back before my days as Joanna Slinky.

When I first found this site, back in 2005, I joined as JoannaUK and I was a freeloader (as Brenda would probably call it). When I got more used to what the site could do, I gradually thought hmmm I wanna join. And then 9.9 years ago I did just that.... and have paid out for Premium ever since!

But the critical point is this: I would NEVER have paid a penny, had I not been allowed to try the site free for nearly 18 months first.

$ 5 per month or say, about $1.25 per week. It’s not all that much. You’d think that most people could afford that, even those on benefits. After all, when a glass of beer is nearly $ 4 and a packet of cigarettes is $25. (well out here in Aus., it is!), it’s cheap by comparison. But for some reason, while people seem happy to pay for other things, they seem to expect the Internet is going to be free, and don’t realise (or care) that someone has to fork out for the server, web, and bandwidth etc., costs.
The other alternative is to bring in advertising, which comes with its own drawbacks. Constant ‘pop-ups/unders' and the risks of virus and malware embedded in it. And even having advertisers accessing your private information. In the end you can lose a lot of the control you have over your own site. If we went this way, I’m sure there'd be howls of protest before too long.

As Joanna says, ‘Give ‘em a taste’ (say, 3 - 6 months ), then severely limit their future ability to participate and see if they are serious enough about the site to become premium members. If not, then I guess they’ll just have to find another similar and ‘free’ site and good luck with that!

I wonder what the minimum pricing structure is that Admin. can ‘live’ with and remain financial. $5/month? or even lower if it can remain viable.

I think Wanda has a good point; if you want to try & see how you like things, that's fine, but after a while everyone should share the responsibility of making the sure the site is viable. When i first found the site, i decided to try it out & after a short time, decided that it was what i wanted, much better than many other sites i had tried, & i went ahead & paid for a premium membership. So now i've been a member here for 8.5 years, & almost all of that time i've been a premium member, for over 8 years now. ALL OF US need to do our part to keep things going here. I know there are 10+ year members who aren't supporting the site because they are STILL free members, & that just isn't right, IMHO.

It shouldn't be possible for a freebie member to be here for 10 years and still be having loads of privileges. I definitely support Brenda's stance on that.

hmmm.. Cutbacks! ... Austerity! ... or - OK just let's have fair play here.

Now I know I'm not a member as long as most of you gurls so maybe I should get not to involved here yet??? But I'm just to mad about all of it!!! I'm a very nice person I think as quite a few of you gurls now! But I don't see much difference between a paying member and a freebie!!! If I want to pay its just to support this site!! Wish I used to love but not as much lately! Please stop with giving freebies so many pics to upload, cause I can not see those close ups of cocks sticking out of panties Any more!!! And that's what you see 70%of the time here, and it's not paying members uploading that crap!!! And as for comments you only see freebies commenting on that type of pics, so can you not reduce that to please! Try as you by ok but not for 10y, a few weeks will do I think! If you by a car you only get one test drive!!! And there where talking money!!! And to be honest if prices go up a bit I don't mind, everything in live goes up, but as long as quality goes up here as well!!! But If thinks stay like this I don't think that I will renew my membership here wish will be ashame for me!!! So I'm standing behind all you gurls here!!! And definitely behind Brenda cause that's one of the nicest persons if met here!!! I never forget that gurl!!! But you know I love and really like many of you!!!

I am convinced that this is the best site out there today....for the average joe 6 pack. But its about the interest level in the member. I think for the paying member...its a serious hobby..and for many a real life style. Yet also for many...not so much. If you can get almost the same benefits by not paying...why pay? A person can swoop in and out of here...get off...and cum back months later. I think price reduction may raise income. I think a limited time free member good...yet limited. Maybe a lower cost for new members...then a price increase over a three period. If a member makes it 5 years...reduce the cost back to the original lower price. Perhaps a lifetime free for a ten year payer. Big bucks can be made for tapping a lot of people for a couple of bucks...but not so much for say 50 bucks. Would advertisers be willing to pay for a spot? How about real transgender groups...not just porn. What about that market? The trans movement is huge today...worldwide. A one stop shop for almost any lifestyle. I think the site is to big...to go small...and to small to go big. A lot of business suffers this. Incentives work. Add up the money. Take every member...x-it by how much...whats the bottom line? This should prove if making all members pay will work and be cost effective. Every thing is about price and quality. All just thoughts....scotty 245656

Thanks for listening, Boss



Would I like that?? You better fucking believe it

No wankers writing to me to tell me... "You're hot... I want to fuck you" ??

Sign me up bitch!!

I have no need to hear from wankers and pervs... I want SERIOUS gurls who are SERIOUS about their lifestyle...

Ask yourself this... Do you want this to be a porn site, or do you want it to be an adult oriented social networking site?? I for one prefer the latter...

Wankers and pervs will NEVER PAY... There's just too much free porn elsewhere, so no way will that crowd ever "SUPPORT" the site...

A "User" supported site should supported by 100% of those who chose to use it.. Not 3% (?) Fuzzy math!!

My final point today....

FACEBOOK IS STILL FREE

Remember??

Stephanie75 is PREMIUM today partly because I gave her a "Free test drive" when I was running that promotion... One week free, and she was hooked!!

Thanks Steph... Love you gurl

"If" I sneak in past the sign-up page through the back door... I can click on and see roughly 10? pictures..
After that, it automatically takes you to the sign-up page... Correct??

This is what I would like to see... Free members treated just as though they've snuck in through the back door... No comments, no pictures, no MOSTLY BLANK profiles thank you very much...

How many of you will just switch to facebook is the question that should be being asked... If the Boss raises the price, well you just go to facebook where it's FREE, including, and with all the bells and whistles??

Speaking of bells and whistles... Where are they Boss ?? ... Same price, same product??

What the fuck??

I know I know... All you care about is NUMBERS!! ... How's Alexa treating you these days ??

Well, you know me Boss...

Be it your biggest supporter, or your loudest complainer, you know I love ya

Try this....

Leave the pricing low and affordable, and GIVE US MORE STUFF here.. Duh!!!

You've got every damn thing there is to have on NN, and a LARGE audience to support it, right?

We are the forgotten.. We are the unaccepted, we are a community of misfits, mostly shunned by society.

MANY of us absolutely LOVE this site, and what it gives us to a degree you probably don't, and can't understand... To the serious user here, THIS IS HOME!!

Don't raise the rent so goddamn high, and fix the fucking windows already... Some new carpet might be nice too, so think about that!!

See what I'm saying??

You want more premium members?? Then make the site better.. Right? (bells & whistles)

I have a 71 Pinto I'll sell you for ten grand... Deal??

Over the years, I've seen on NBN / NTN / NN, a tendency for our boss (Admin) to not listen to us very much.

OK, admittedly, a handful of the NTN / NN members are a bit out to lunch. But I've seen some good ideas in the past just get ignored, as if they were shit, and it's a bit disheartening when that happens. Brenda and I have seen that happen quite often, and it's most annoying.

And (while I think of it) when was the NN Mod Squad last consulted on a matter of policy, over on that site?

i have to agree with a lot of the points that Brenda has raised, because i personally, although not to the extent that Brenda does, DO see this site as a wonderful place for gurls like me & her, who prefer the CD-trans kind of lifestyle & are invested in it. PLEASE make sure that whatever is decided is presented to folks like us, who do & who HAVE BEEN supporting the site for years, so that we can have some comments about what is going to happen, & give us an opportunity to buy-in to the proposed changes, Boss.

You already know that despite the way she reacts sometimes, Brenda is passionately dedicated to the site & what it represents to us - and there's lots of others like myself who feel the same way. We are passionate devotees of the way it has developed over time from what it was in the past to what it represents to us today. As Brenda said, it's a place where we, the marginalized CD-trans folks & those who love them, can be comfortable in who we are & what we are. You should also know that if we are consulted on the best way to preserve that, we WILL go along with what needs to be done to keep the site viable. We want you to be successful & make money, & we also want the site to be here for us as a place of refuge where we can be ourselves with other folks who understand & are our family!

Bill/aka Jeanine

When I'm done being pissed off and I have the time I'll get serious about this...

I've heard many of your concerns and I'm hoping there's an easy fix in there somewhere...
I'll come right out and say this though...

No one I've talked to so far is happy about this BS.. No one at all. Not a single damned person...

Does anyone have a big bag of common sense they could drop on someones head???

Good day Sir....

I SAID GOOD DAY!!

OUCH! My ears!! I heard that way down here!
Lets see what 'The Boss' can come up with now that there has been some input, albeit (as always), from the "Usual Suspects"!
It's a bit disappointing to see that so few members have even bothered with any input. But then again maybe we shouldn't be all that surprised. Seems that all the majority want to do is come here and use the site, but don't give a rat's ass about its future, yet they'll probably be the first to scream if it closes--but
then again maybe not!

And your not the only one wanda the ground was shacking over here in Spain as well!!!! But I think we gonna need to shake it alot more before we gonna have something changed??!!!! And tru how many views did all this had??? Not many alot less then some crappie pics??? Wy I think we know wy?!!! And as for being pissed off I'm like that here for weeks, and thank god I'm not the only one cause I started thinking there's something wrong with me!!! Get this sorted soon PLEASE and stop destroying this side with all the crap! If so many spend so much money on outfits every week and Thy don't wanna spend some little money on this side who's to blame??? And that's me done know for today!! cause I'm once more in a very bad mood to!!! THANKS

speaking as one who took advantage of the offer by virtue of my subscription being up for renewal i'm a very happy bunny. i would probably have renewed anyway as i am happy with the continued benefits of membership i.e. the cam and the video options. however i don't feel that there is enough distinction between the members and non-members.
perhaps uploads should be limited,restrictions on messaging for non-members. Why not try a week's free membership for all those that post a confirmed photo,include a thumbnail vid option on chat like in the hetero site for members with perhaps a limited time per day 30 mins say for non-members. these are used on other sites i frequent and on a couple i did join up and others i didn't. it goes without saying the ones i joined are active sites still to this day and the others i don't visit any more.

Well I think I love this place! Made some live long friends here that care about me.
Butt!!! If it's free why buy the cow!
I hate the thought of raising the price! I definitely won't pay it. If we limit the time and number of pics the freebies get. They will join or not. Which probably will get rid of most assholes here. I agree with all the gurls that have commented! Love the place Boss! But Kimmie won't pay the price jump!

Well I think I love this place! Made some live long friends here that care about me.
Butt!!! If it's free why buy the cow!
I hate the thought of raising the price! I definitely won't pay it. If we limit the time and number of pics the freebies get. They will join or not. Which probably will get rid of most assholes here. I agree with all the gurls that have commented! Love the place Boss! But Kimmie won't pay the price jump!

I have not read the full thread but I think that the Free loaders access should be reduced and always have. Take away some of the freebies and nudge them toward premium. Some advertising as on Other sites might also help, but that would take marketing skills.

I think this will just start a death spiral for NTN

Ok - I am still here reading with interest...

Let me say as far as features go and new ones at that - trying trying trying - but have very little technical resources and hence why trying to increase revenue. Not trying to increase revenue for my pocket believe me I just want more coding resources so that I can build my true vision for this platform which believe me includes amazing features and improvements to what is already here.

I can say at this point - as a result of reading your views - I will NOT increase prices here. So rest easy on that.

I am going to explore limiting the free features more and we will just see how that goes as far as is there still enough participation.

Also - Video Chat - I am working to bring that here to NTN soon.

Thanks for your thoughts so far, and for the kind words of support!